But by satisfactory I mean a credible atheist. You can be an atheist and believe in some morality but it's counter-intuitive to base your life off of Reason and then have a morality that doesn't agree with Reason.
Essentially, I'm saying that the only 'good' rationale to be an atheist is to say that you believe God to be non-existent because of Reason. Reason does not agree with any objective moralities. And he points out why Reason can't agree with the any objective moralities.
Again...give me a few minutes to listen again and pick out any flaws I see.
His logic is sound. On which points do you believe he doesn't have sound logic? I guess he might be flawed in that he doesn't consider a combinational view of these ideas.
Perhaps, though, it wasn't a great idea for me to use this as a tool for discussion: most, due to lacking ability to think critically enough, won't be able to find flaws. (I'm not saying I'm all amazing at this, however.)
That would be pointless because we both agree with the video. But, then again, the world would be safer if atheists did believe in a system of morality... But most of them are a little stupid and claim they don't believe in God merely because he/she is rebellious so he/she believes in morality, anyways.
I agree with him.
ReplyDeleteYou can't be a satisfactory atheist and believe in an objective morality.
What EXACTLY do you mean by "satisfactory?" To the public or the atheist? You really don't detect any logical flaws with his argument?
ReplyDeleteI'll listen again for logical flaws...
ReplyDeleteBut by satisfactory I mean a credible atheist. You can be an atheist and believe in some morality but it's counter-intuitive to base your life off of Reason and then have a morality that doesn't agree with Reason.
Essentially, I'm saying that the only 'good' rationale to be an atheist is to say that you believe God to be non-existent because of Reason. Reason does not agree with any objective moralities. And he points out why Reason can't agree with the any objective moralities.
Again...give me a few minutes to listen again and pick out any flaws I see.
His logic is sound. On which points do you believe he doesn't have sound logic? I guess he might be flawed in that he doesn't consider a combinational view of these ideas.
ReplyDeleteYeah, he does a good job at it, too.
ReplyDeletePerhaps, though, it wasn't a great idea for me to use this as a tool for discussion: most, due to lacking ability to think critically enough, won't be able to find flaws. (I'm not saying I'm all amazing at this, however.)
Or maybe he doesn't have flaws in his logic....that could be another reason that most (or any) can't find flaws.
ReplyDeleteMaybe instead, we could discuss whether we believe an atheist should believe in morality at all. (and why)
Or whether atheism is a reasonable belief system based on the amorality of it. hehe
That would be pointless because we both agree with the video. But, then again, the world would be safer if atheists did believe in a system of morality... But most of them are a little stupid and claim they don't believe in God merely because he/she is rebellious so he/she believes in morality, anyways.
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