It is to me. But then I consider cows and animals to just another resource.
What I don't get is why they rationalize killings plants as ok and killing animals as not ok. I think the reason they care more about animals than plants is because of transference (if that's the correct term) meaning they put human aspects of value onto animals. I.E. they think something like, "That animal cries out in pain like a human in response to pain. Therefore they have as much sentient value as humans [somehow they consider pain(or something else like a brain or fear or what not) as a sentience factor that puts them on an equal plane as humans in that they deserve a full life]
To them, it's rational to believe in their personal emotions while to others it seems unfounded. What justifies anyone killing anything? Our emotions? Our beliefs based on emotions? Based on something more basic than feelings? The innate? Hunger! hehe. But justifications for killing a man even? Is the 'feeling' they have for not killing a man the same as for not killing an animal? meat.org has some gruesome 'reasons to become a vegetarian.'
I'm tired. Think I cannot very wellish. Or welshish....now....ish
Isn't it either? And even if it was logical or emotional (the decision making process), that is the person's prerogative. We are allowed to make emotional choices, no?
No, you're not allowed to do anything that I don't approve of. This is my world.
Not really.. Those were the first thoughts that came to mind. I suppose that just shows you how my mind works, though.
It always seems to me that the emotional decision is not the way to go. But of course we're allowed to be emotional/illogical. I don't want to get off topic and rant about how much of our emotion we should deprove ourselves of, though. But it seems I have a topic for next time now.
New question: Do you support the reasoning as of why Hindus are vegetarian?
THIS NEXT INFORMATION IS NOT FROM MY HEAD. But this website: http://www.ivu.org/religion/articles/hindus.html
Why Hindus Don't Eat Meat Besides being an expression of compassion for animals, vegetarianism is followed for ecological and health rationales
Reasons
In the past fifty years, millions of meat-eaters -- Hindus and non-Hindus -- have made the personal decision to stop eating the flesh of other creatures. There are five major motivations for such a decision:
1. The Dharmic Law Reason Ahinsa, the law of noninjury, is the Hindu's first duty in fulfilling religious obligations to God and God's creation as defined by Vedic scripture.
2. The Karmic Consequences Reason All of our actions, including our choice of food, have Karmic consequences. By involving oneself in the cycle of inflicting injury, pain and death, even indirectly by eating other creatures, one must in the future experience in equal measure the suffering caused.
3. The Spiritual Reason Food is the source of the body's chemistry, and what we ingest affects our consciousnes, emotions and experiential patterns. If one wants to live in higher consciousness, in peace and happiness and love for all creatures, then he cannot eat meat, fish, shellfish, fowl or eggs. By ingesting the grosser chemistries of animal foods, one introduces into the body and mind anger, jealousy, anxiety, suspicion and a terrible fear of death, all of which are locked into the the flesh of the butchered creatures. For these reasons, vegetarians live in higher consciousness and meat-eaters abide in lower consciousness.
4. The Health Reason Medical studies prove that a vegetarian diet is easier to digest, provides a wider ranger of nutrients and imposes fewer burdens and impurities on the body. Vegetarians are less susceptible to all the major diseases that afflict contemporary humanity, and thus live longer, healthier, more productive lives. They have fewer physical complaints, less frequent visits to the doctor, fewer dental problems and smaller medical bills. Their immune system is stronger, their bodies are purer, more refined and skin more beautiful.
5. The Ecological Reason Planet Earth is suffereing. In large measure, the escalating loss of species, destruction of ancient rainforests to create pasture lands for live stock, loss of topsoils and the consequent increase of water impurities and air pollution have all been traced to the single fact of meat in the human diet. No decision that we can make as individuals or as a race can have such a dramatic effect on the improvement of our planetary ecology as the decision not to eat meat.
He who desires to augment his own flesh by eating the flesh of other creatures lives in misery in whatever species he may take his birth. Mahabharat 115.47
Those high-souled persons who desire beauty, faultlessness of limbs, long life, understanding, mental and physical strength and memory should abstain from acts of injury. Mahabharat 18.115.8
The very name of cow is Aghnya ["not to be killed"], indicating that they should never be slaughtered. Who, then could slay them? Surely, one who kills a cow or a bull commits a heinous crime. Mahabharat, Shantiparv 262.47
The purchaser of flesh performs Hinsa (violence) by his wealth; he who eats flesh does so by enjoying its taste; the killer does Hinsa by actually tying and killing the animal. Thus, there are three forms of killing: he who brings flesh or sends for it, he who cuts off the limbs of an animal, and he who purchases, sells or cooks flesh and eats it -- all of these are to be considered meat-eaters. Mahabharat, Anu 115.40
He who sees that the Lord of all is ever the same in all that is -- immortal in the field of mortality -- he sees the truth. And when a man sees that the God in himself is the same God in all that is, he hurts not himself by hurting others. Then he goes, indeed, to the highest path. Bhagvad Geeta 13.27-28
Ahinsa is the highest Dharm. Ahinsa is the best Tapas. Ahinsa is the greatest gift. Ahinsa is the highest self-control. Ahinsa is the highest sacrifice. Ahinsa is the highest power. Ahinsa is the highest friend. Ahinsa is the highest truth. Ahinsa is the highest teaching. Mahabharat 18.116.37-41
What is the good way? It is the path that reflects on how it may avoid killing any creature. Tirukural 324
All that lives will press palms together in prayerful adoration of those who refuse to slaughter and savor meat. Tirukural 260
What is virtuous conduct? It is never destroting life, for killing leads to every other sin. Tirukural 312, 321
Goodness is never one with the minds of these two: one who wields a weapon and one who feasts on a creature's flesh. Tirukural 253
No I don't support it. I don't think of kharma or dharma or oneness with everything because I think that everything is different and separate. As for the eco reason, I know that lots of land is not arable and can't support crops while it can support livestock. So it's more reasonable there to raise them.
Either.
ReplyDeleteYou either decide to for supposed healthiness or you want to save animals from pain. One girl told she does it for the challenge (Vegan though.
But those are the only reasons I know of.
Yeah, but is it irrational to not eat meat only because you don't want to put the animal in pain?
ReplyDeleteIt is to me. But then I consider cows and animals to just another resource.
ReplyDeleteWhat I don't get is why they rationalize killings plants as ok and killing animals as not ok. I think the reason they care more about animals than plants is because of transference (if that's the correct term) meaning they put human aspects of value onto animals.
I.E. they think something like, "That animal cries out in pain like a human in response to pain. Therefore they have as much sentient value as humans [somehow they consider pain(or something else like a brain or fear or what not) as a sentience factor that puts them on an equal plane as humans in that they deserve a full life]
To them, it's rational to believe in their personal emotions while to others it seems unfounded. What justifies anyone killing anything? Our emotions? Our beliefs based on emotions? Based on something more basic than feelings? The innate? Hunger! hehe.
But justifications for killing a man even? Is the 'feeling' they have for not killing a man the same as for not killing an animal?
meat.org has some gruesome 'reasons to become a vegetarian.'
I'm tired. Think I cannot very wellish. Or welshish....now....ish
B)
Isn't it either? And even if it was logical or emotional (the decision making process), that is the person's prerogative. We are allowed to make emotional choices, no?
ReplyDeleteNo, you're not allowed to do anything that I don't approve of. This is my world.
ReplyDeleteNot really.. Those were the first thoughts that came to mind. I suppose that just shows you how my mind works, though.
It always seems to me that the emotional decision is not the way to go. But of course we're allowed to be emotional/illogical. I don't want to get off topic and rant about how much of our emotion we should deprove ourselves of, though. But it seems I have a topic for next time now.
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ReplyDeleteSo....agreed?
New question: Do you support the reasoning as of why Hindus are vegetarian?
ReplyDeleteTHIS NEXT INFORMATION IS NOT FROM MY HEAD. But this website: http://www.ivu.org/religion/articles/hindus.html
Why Hindus Don't Eat Meat
Besides being an expression of compassion for animals, vegetarianism is followed for ecological and health rationales
Reasons
In the past fifty years, millions of meat-eaters -- Hindus and non-Hindus -- have made the personal decision to stop eating the flesh of other creatures. There are five major motivations for such a decision:
1. The Dharmic Law Reason
Ahinsa, the law of noninjury, is the Hindu's first duty in fulfilling religious obligations to God and God's creation as defined by Vedic scripture.
2. The Karmic Consequences Reason
All of our actions, including our choice of food, have Karmic consequences. By involving oneself in the cycle of inflicting injury, pain and death, even indirectly by eating other creatures, one must in the future experience in equal measure the suffering caused.
3. The Spiritual Reason
Food is the source of the body's chemistry, and what we ingest affects our consciousnes, emotions and experiential patterns. If one wants to live in higher consciousness, in peace and happiness and love for all creatures, then he cannot eat meat, fish, shellfish, fowl or eggs. By ingesting the grosser chemistries of animal foods, one introduces into the body and mind anger, jealousy, anxiety, suspicion and a terrible fear of death, all of which are locked into the the flesh of the butchered creatures. For these reasons, vegetarians live in higher consciousness and meat-eaters abide in lower consciousness.
4. The Health Reason
Medical studies prove that a vegetarian diet is easier to digest, provides a wider ranger of nutrients and imposes fewer burdens and impurities on the body. Vegetarians are less susceptible to all the major diseases that afflict contemporary humanity, and thus live longer, healthier, more productive lives. They have fewer physical complaints, less frequent visits to the doctor, fewer dental problems and smaller medical bills. Their immune system is stronger, their bodies are purer, more refined and skin more beautiful.
5. The Ecological Reason
Planet Earth is suffereing. In large measure, the escalating loss of species, destruction of ancient rainforests to create pasture lands for live stock, loss of topsoils and the consequent increase of water impurities and air pollution have all been traced to the single fact of meat in the human diet. No decision that we can make as individuals or as a race can have such a dramatic effect on the improvement of our planetary ecology as the decision not to eat meat.
Continuation:
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He who desires to augment his own flesh by eating the flesh of other creatures lives in misery in whatever species he may take his birth. Mahabharat 115.47
Those high-souled persons who desire beauty, faultlessness of limbs, long life, understanding, mental and physical strength and memory should abstain from acts of injury. Mahabharat 18.115.8
The very name of cow is Aghnya ["not to be killed"], indicating that they should never be slaughtered. Who, then could slay them? Surely, one who kills a cow or a bull commits a heinous crime. Mahabharat, Shantiparv 262.47
The purchaser of flesh performs Hinsa (violence) by his wealth; he who eats flesh does so by enjoying its taste; the killer does Hinsa by actually tying and killing the animal. Thus, there are three forms of killing: he who brings flesh or sends for it, he who cuts off the limbs of an animal, and he who purchases, sells or cooks flesh and eats it -- all of these are to be considered meat-eaters. Mahabharat, Anu 115.40
He who sees that the Lord of all is ever the same in all that is -- immortal in the field of mortality -- he sees the truth. And when a man sees that the God in himself is the same God in all that is, he hurts not himself by hurting others. Then he goes, indeed, to the highest path. Bhagvad Geeta 13.27-28
Ahinsa is the highest Dharm. Ahinsa is the best Tapas. Ahinsa is the greatest gift. Ahinsa is the highest self-control. Ahinsa is the highest sacrifice. Ahinsa is the highest power. Ahinsa is the highest friend. Ahinsa is the highest truth. Ahinsa is the highest teaching. Mahabharat 18.116.37-41
What is the good way? It is the path that reflects on how it may avoid killing any creature. Tirukural 324
All that lives will press palms together in prayerful adoration of those who refuse to slaughter and savor meat. Tirukural 260
What is virtuous conduct? It is never destroting life, for killing leads to every other sin. Tirukural 312, 321
Goodness is never one with the minds of these two: one who wields a weapon and one who feasts on a creature's flesh. Tirukural 253
No I don't support it. I don't think of kharma or dharma or oneness with everything because I think that everything is different and separate. As for the eco reason, I know that lots of land is not arable and can't support crops while it can support livestock. So it's more reasonable there to raise them.
ReplyDeletehttp://hinduism.suite101.com/article.cfm/hinduism_and_the_aryan_influence
Whatever anyone wants to reason or believe is fine with me.
I only eat meat when it is put on the table. I never buy it except I do buy eggs. I do think eating a diet as much away from meat is healthier.